1 00:00:09,049 --> 00:00:06,500 all right everybody welcome back kjc are 2 00:00:13,130 --> 00:00:09,059 Jimmy church radio.com this is fade to 3 00:00:14,870 --> 00:00:13,140 black i am your host jimmy church from 4 00:00:17,089 --> 00:00:14,880 the Dark Matter radio network we are 5 00:00:21,050 --> 00:00:17,099 live burbank california from the JP 6 00:00:24,650 --> 00:00:21,060 motorsports studios the studio is dark 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:24,660 the candles are lit like to welcome 8 00:00:28,130 --> 00:00:26,970 everybody don't forget to follow us on 9 00:00:30,409 --> 00:00:28,140 twitter we're going to be taking your 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:30,419 skype calls the skype number is fade to 11 00:00:36,410 --> 00:00:34,290 black 14 i'm going to try to run again 12 00:00:38,420 --> 00:00:36,420 commercial free for the next hour for 13 00:00:41,630 --> 00:00:38,430 everybody out there listening right now 14 00:00:46,700 --> 00:00:41,640 in art bell calm the Dark Matter radio 15 00:00:49,729 --> 00:00:46,710 network it is my pleasure to introduce 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:49,739 Nuria hayakawa he has been researching 17 00:00:55,549 --> 00:00:53,370 UFOs for the last 45 years he has spent 18 00:00:59,540 --> 00:00:55,559 10 years specifically investigating area 19 00:01:02,750 --> 00:00:59,550 51 in 1992 norio co-sponsored the first 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:02,760 need to know seminar at the little alien 21 00:01:09,770 --> 00:01:06,930 in Rachel Nevada with Gary Schultz in 22 00:01:13,430 --> 00:01:09,780 the audience was John Lear George Knapp 23 00:01:16,970 --> 00:01:13,440 bob lazar bill Cooper and Sean Morton 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:16,980 now today mr. hayakawa has dived into 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:20,610 the Dulce New Mexico case and says that 26 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:23,490 something is about to happen in the very 27 00:01:30,020 --> 00:01:26,100 near future I would like to welcome to 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:30,030 dark matter norio hayakawa norio are you 29 00:01:34,820 --> 00:01:32,610 there are you with us yes i am here 30 00:01:36,770 --> 00:01:34,830 Jimmy thank you so much for having me on 31 00:01:41,930 --> 00:01:36,780 your program tonight how was your 32 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:41,940 holiday oh very peaceful quiet New 33 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:47,070 Mexico ish yeah oh wow well it is a 34 00:01:51,110 --> 00:01:48,930 pleasure to finally get you on the show 35 00:01:54,380 --> 00:01:51,120 and as you know we've been trying to get 36 00:01:55,910 --> 00:01:54,390 you on and and I'm just so happy and I'm 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:01:55,920 honored to have you on the show today 38 00:02:00,860 --> 00:01:59,490 and like I say to all of my guests it's 39 00:02:03,470 --> 00:02:00,870 the same thing this is just a 40 00:02:05,030 --> 00:02:03,480 conversation okay this isn't some 41 00:02:08,270 --> 00:02:05,040 intense interview let's just kick back 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:08,280 relax and talk to each other that's 43 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:10,649 exactly what I was looking forward 44 00:02:17,850 --> 00:02:15,210 tonight I really appreciate it and I'm 45 00:02:20,370 --> 00:02:17,860 serious about that but let's let's 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:20,380 start let's start here 45 years is a 47 00:02:29,420 --> 00:02:24,490 long long time what started you in this 48 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:29,430 type of research well actually it was in 49 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:34,810 1961 but I really got into what's known 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:40,840 as ufology that was 1961 I was just a 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:45,610 high school student but when I was just 52 00:02:56,220 --> 00:02:51,850 you know elementary school kid I was 53 00:03:01,070 --> 00:02:56,230 quite influenced by my father's account 54 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:01,080 of his witnessing a very strange light 55 00:03:05,970 --> 00:03:03,760 maneuvering light over the Bay of 56 00:03:10,260 --> 00:03:05,980 Yokohama Japan and that was in the 57 00:03:13,770 --> 00:03:10,270 summer of nineteen forty-seven I'm quite 58 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:13,780 sure about that year but anyway I forgot 59 00:03:20,699 --> 00:03:16,690 about it but then when I became a high 60 00:03:24,810 --> 00:03:20,709 school student in 1961 I became 61 00:03:29,030 --> 00:03:24,820 fascinated by that subject once again 62 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:29,040 and then I started subscribing to 63 00:03:38,699 --> 00:03:32,769 newsletters and magazines and so on you 64 00:03:46,020 --> 00:03:38,709 know from groups such as the NYE cap in 65 00:03:50,490 --> 00:03:46,030 washington DC in a PR 0 arizona and so I 66 00:03:54,570 --> 00:03:50,500 started joining various groups study 67 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:54,580 groups in Japan was a belief but anyway 68 00:04:00,180 --> 00:03:56,650 because i was living in Japan I was born 69 00:04:02,509 --> 00:04:00,190 and raised in Yokohama and so I was 70 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:02,519 living in Japan going to school and then 71 00:04:13,470 --> 00:04:09,790 you know and then in 1964 that was a 72 00:04:17,370 --> 00:04:13,480 year that really sparked my interest and 73 00:04:20,310 --> 00:04:17,380 that's because of this amazing incident 74 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:20,320 that took place in a little town in a 75 00:04:26,339 --> 00:04:23,890 state called New Mexico which I was not 76 00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:26,349 that familiar back over there in Japan 77 00:04:32,290 --> 00:04:28,160 in 1964 what is a 78 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:32,300 it was this famous Lonnie Zamora case so 79 00:04:39,130 --> 00:04:35,690 of course of course yeah it was in a 80 00:04:42,090 --> 00:04:39,140 front page of a newspaper over there so 81 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:42,100 that sparkled my interest and 82 00:04:48,370 --> 00:04:46,130 coincidentally in 1965 i received a 83 00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:48,380 partial scholarship from a college in 84 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:53,840 New Mexico Jay and I jumped and I took 85 00:04:59,440 --> 00:04:56,450 that cloud ship and because I wanted to 86 00:05:02,530 --> 00:04:59,450 come to New Mexico anyway so that was in 87 00:05:07,060 --> 00:05:02,540 nineteen sixty-five and so ever since 88 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:07,070 nineteen sixty-five you know I got 89 00:05:15,220 --> 00:05:10,130 myself involved with of course the 90 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:15,230 college but you know also the UFO aspect 91 00:05:22,630 --> 00:05:19,280 of New Mexico so I stayed until I 92 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:22,640 graduated from college in Albuquerque 93 00:05:29,860 --> 00:05:25,970 which doing which I majored in Spanish 94 00:05:36,250 --> 00:05:29,870 but then you know after many years I 95 00:05:42,460 --> 00:05:36,260 moved to Arizona and in 1976 I became a 96 00:05:45,850 --> 00:05:42,470 US citizen and naturalized in 1976 then 97 00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:45,860 taught some schools in Arizona and then 98 00:05:55,930 --> 00:05:51,310 moved on to Los Angeles in 1982 where I 99 00:05:58,030 --> 00:05:55,940 became a licensed funeral director over 100 00:06:01,990 --> 00:05:58,040 there in the city of Los Angeles in 101 00:06:07,180 --> 00:06:02,000 which I did for almost twenty six years 102 00:06:09,820 --> 00:06:07,190 and it was during my profession has a 103 00:06:13,690 --> 00:06:09,830 licensed funeral director that I got 104 00:06:17,020 --> 00:06:13,700 involved in area 51 research was in 105 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:17,030 nineteen eighty eighty nine what 106 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:20,330 happened in 1989 that that that caused 107 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:23,690 this interest in area 51 yes because I 108 00:06:30,940 --> 00:06:26,330 was listening to a talk radio station 109 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:30,950 coming from Las Vegas ironic at that 110 00:06:36,909 --> 00:06:33,530 station at midnight in the Los Angeles 111 00:06:39,909 --> 00:06:36,919 and it was a really good Minh happening 112 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:39,919 radio program in which a very 113 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:41,750 fascinating guests 114 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:45,890 Emily Robert blows our was appearing 115 00:06:54,340 --> 00:06:49,130 every night talking about his you know 116 00:06:57,370 --> 00:06:54,350 his alleged work at a secret facility 117 00:07:02,560 --> 00:06:57,380 south of area 51 and that was of course 118 00:07:05,470 --> 00:07:02,570 1989 and at that time just not too many 119 00:07:10,540 --> 00:07:05,480 people were aware of bob lazar outside 120 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:10,550 of Las Vegas you know hardly anybody in 121 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:15,110 the US was familiar with area 51 unless 122 00:07:20,650 --> 00:07:17,690 you were living in Las Vegas in New 123 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:20,660 somebody that worked at the groom Lake 124 00:07:25,210 --> 00:07:23,090 facility well exactly so you're living 125 00:07:27,610 --> 00:07:25,220 here in LA but you managed to pick up 126 00:07:29,770 --> 00:07:27,620 this am radio signal from Las Vegas 127 00:07:31,870 --> 00:07:29,780 that's correct so you're listening 128 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:31,880 you're listening really seriously you're 129 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:33,770 listening to the Billy Goodman show and 130 00:07:36,940 --> 00:07:35,330 we all know Billy Goodman but you're 131 00:07:41,230 --> 00:07:36,950 living listening to the Billy Goodman 132 00:07:43,060 --> 00:07:41,240 show here in LA and Bob Lazar is on I 133 00:07:45,159 --> 00:07:43,070 think you just said he was on almost 134 00:07:47,650 --> 00:07:45,169 every single night is everything out for 135 00:07:50,950 --> 00:07:47,660 about a few week really I was so 136 00:07:54,150 --> 00:07:50,960 fascinated by his account of how is 137 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:54,160 working with reverse engineering of this 138 00:07:59,650 --> 00:07:57,050 extraterrestrial craft that he said what 139 00:08:02,530 --> 00:07:59,660 was he telling the same story on Billy 140 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:02,540 Goodman's show that he told later when 141 00:08:09,490 --> 00:08:06,110 you were with him yes absolutely too and 142 00:08:11,950 --> 00:08:09,500 this is why well what was he what was he 143 00:08:13,570 --> 00:08:11,960 saying on the air with Billy was he to 144 00:08:18,130 --> 00:08:13,580 just tell him the whole story about the 145 00:08:20,650 --> 00:08:18,140 test flights and s4 and can you clean 146 00:08:23,710 --> 00:08:20,660 can you recall anything specific well 147 00:08:26,350 --> 00:08:23,720 that he was saying that on Wednesday 148 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:26,360 night especially they were test flying 149 00:08:37,510 --> 00:08:33,440 this you know one of those objects there 150 00:08:41,170 --> 00:08:37,520 were nine objects I believe in nine 151 00:08:45,130 --> 00:08:41,180 separate hangers you know on the side of 152 00:08:47,530 --> 00:08:45,140 the slope and about any way of s4 and 153 00:08:50,380 --> 00:08:47,540 you know one thing about Bob Lazar is 154 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:50,390 that he has not changed his story all 155 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:55,010 these years and regardless of how people 156 00:08:59,650 --> 00:08:55,730 think about 157 00:09:02,710 --> 00:08:59,660 him uh it's very difficult to dismiss 158 00:09:05,350 --> 00:09:02,720 everything that he has insane because he 159 00:09:08,650 --> 00:09:05,360 never changed any story well and because 160 00:09:11,710 --> 00:09:08,660 and for people need to understand again 161 00:09:13,540 --> 00:09:11,720 and I hate to use these words again but 162 00:09:15,850 --> 00:09:13,550 you need to wrap your head around a 163 00:09:18,430 --> 00:09:15,860 little bit on what norio is saying right 164 00:09:21,970 --> 00:09:18,440 now this is nineteen eighty-eight and 165 00:09:24,250 --> 00:09:21,980 eighty-nine and this is before anybody 166 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:24,260 knew anything and George Knapp and all 167 00:09:29,470 --> 00:09:25,850 of that stuff had happened yet that 168 00:09:31,210 --> 00:09:29,480 stuff hadn't happened now when how how 169 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:31,220 did you become because you you 170 00:09:37,180 --> 00:09:33,860 practically became his ambassador if you 171 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:37,190 think about it when Japanese television 172 00:09:42,340 --> 00:09:39,589 gets involved but before we get to that 173 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:42,350 story so you're listening to bob lazar 174 00:09:46,420 --> 00:09:43,760 on the radio tell these amazing stories 175 00:09:49,750 --> 00:09:46,430 how make the connection for everybody 176 00:09:52,750 --> 00:09:49,760 how you wind up from Los Angeles to Las 177 00:09:57,370 --> 00:09:52,760 Vegas actually Jimmy I was so fascinated 178 00:10:02,410 --> 00:09:57,380 by his story that I wrote in a letter to 179 00:10:05,590 --> 00:10:02,420 Japanese magazine you know it's kind of 180 00:10:09,460 --> 00:10:05,600 a magazine that specializes in strange 181 00:10:14,309 --> 00:10:09,470 phenomenon and the magazine was really 182 00:10:17,230 --> 00:10:14,319 curious and they decided to send a rider 183 00:10:21,790 --> 00:10:17,240 actually three or four people from both 184 00:10:25,389 --> 00:10:21,800 magazine and they also brought a TV 185 00:10:30,809 --> 00:10:25,399 network crew and that was an upon 186 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:30,819 colleges network so you know somehow 187 00:10:40,900 --> 00:10:36,290 their manager got in touch with gene 188 00:10:44,980 --> 00:10:40,910 Huff friend of Bob Lazar and it ended up 189 00:10:52,379 --> 00:10:44,990 that we were able to go to his house in 190 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:52,389 las vegas on wednesday ever 21st of 1990 191 00:10:58,660 --> 00:10:55,130 well of course of course you could never 192 00:11:00,550 --> 00:10:58,670 forget it did you even even comprehend 193 00:11:03,699 --> 00:11:00,560 at the time the coming storm that was 194 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:03,709 about to happen that's right and it was 195 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:12,420 and so uh we expected to go to the place 196 00:11:17,790 --> 00:11:15,310 that he was talking about as far as you 197 00:11:20,490 --> 00:11:17,800 know through the out you know out out 198 00:11:24,030 --> 00:11:20,500 out of parameters because you can't go 199 00:11:27,150 --> 00:11:24,040 into that facility but according to mr. 200 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:27,160 Lazar we could go to a location in the 201 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:30,370 dirt road well whoa hold on we're gonna 202 00:11:35,490 --> 00:11:32,170 get to that in a second norio let's not 203 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:35,500 let's not jump ahead you're I want to 204 00:11:39,090 --> 00:11:37,690 specifically talk about for a second I 205 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:39,100 want you to tell the story about you 206 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:44,529 taking TV not MTV NT VV pond mm beep on 207 00:11:49,079 --> 00:11:46,600 television and you go to Bob lazarz 208 00:11:51,449 --> 00:11:49,089 house and you guys sit & M you guys 209 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:51,459 interview Bob for how many hours what 210 00:11:56,579 --> 00:11:54,070 about four hours four hours you're 211 00:11:59,579 --> 00:11:56,589 listening to compelling Lazar tell his 212 00:12:01,290 --> 00:11:59,589 story what was that like and what did he 213 00:12:03,889 --> 00:12:01,300 say and again he didn't change his story 214 00:12:07,530 --> 00:12:03,899 did he he was sticking to his guns right 215 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:07,540 and so for four hours of course I wasn't 216 00:12:14,190 --> 00:12:11,770 a continuous interview but you know took 217 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:14,200 breaks because it was of course a 218 00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:16,390 teahouse well did the Japanese 219 00:12:25,199 --> 00:12:18,399 television where was their interpreting 220 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:25,209 going on oh ok I actually was kind of 221 00:12:30,510 --> 00:12:27,130 helped too because they were another 222 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:30,520 there was another interpreter but I was 223 00:12:37,019 --> 00:12:33,850 there long you know and but it was a 224 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:37,029 fascinating interview because when we 225 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:41,610 went to his house they were at least 226 00:12:50,370 --> 00:12:47,850 five people that mr. lawzer had with him 227 00:12:52,980 --> 00:12:50,380 security people are friends was Gene 228 00:12:55,850 --> 00:12:52,990 huff there yeah gene hub was there and 229 00:13:01,199 --> 00:12:55,860 then because he know there were you know 230 00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:01,209 Creole people there at least and two of 231 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:07,360 those people sat on both sides of mr. 232 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:11,140 Lazar on the couch as we interviewed and 233 00:13:17,069 --> 00:13:13,540 it was very interesting because when mr. 234 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:17,079 Lazar you know took a break and went to 235 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:18,970 the kitchen these two gentlemen follow 236 00:13:22,259 --> 00:13:20,290 thee well 237 00:13:27,050 --> 00:13:22,269 were they or did you know I have no idea 238 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:27,060 did you suspect we got curious they're a 239 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:29,470 part of the interview and we asked me 240 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:31,990 who were these people and he said not to 241 00:13:38,910 --> 00:13:34,930 worry they were his friend but their 242 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:38,920 actions were very strange to me because 243 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:41,649 one of these gentlemen had some kind of 244 00:13:51,379 --> 00:13:45,790 a black I wouldn't call it a cell phone 245 00:13:54,930 --> 00:13:51,389 because it was a large black rectangular 246 00:14:00,499 --> 00:13:54,940 equipment attached to his belt and it 247 00:14:04,050 --> 00:14:00,509 was some kind of a radio but I you know 248 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:04,060 but the weirdest thing was every time 249 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:06,370 mr. longer stood up these two men stood 250 00:14:11,730 --> 00:14:09,850 up together and about anyway he eschewed 251 00:14:14,009 --> 00:14:11,740 us that there was just his friends but 252 00:14:17,370 --> 00:14:14,019 you know that was one of the interesting 253 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:17,380 aspects of that interview but as I said 254 00:14:24,090 --> 00:14:20,410 Jimmy we did a four hour interview and 255 00:14:26,850 --> 00:14:24,100 he we asked him if he can take us to the 256 00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:26,860 place where he said we could see the 257 00:14:31,769 --> 00:14:28,959 test flight because that was on a 258 00:14:34,139 --> 00:14:31,779 Wednesday and do you think did you think 259 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:34,149 that he would actually say yes were you 260 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:36,010 hoping that he would take the crew out 261 00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:40,510 there I mean what was your film we asked 262 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:43,600 about he didn't want to come oh he just 263 00:14:52,110 --> 00:14:47,649 showed us where to go and to this spot 264 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:52,120 which was off the highway 375 you know 265 00:14:58,879 --> 00:14:54,490 took two hours I from Las Vegas in a 266 00:15:02,879 --> 00:14:58,889 desolate stretch of a desert land and 267 00:15:05,730 --> 00:15:02,889 even highway 375 at that time was hardly 268 00:15:07,980 --> 00:15:05,740 any traffic you know over there well 269 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:07,990 there's nothing to drive to if you're on 270 00:15:17,009 --> 00:15:12,970 we got 375 it leads to nowhere but okay 271 00:15:20,429 --> 00:15:17,019 so did you actually go out with uh with 272 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:20,439 NTV to the black mailbox yes in fact 273 00:15:27,420 --> 00:15:23,110 there were nine of us we drove all the 274 00:15:31,949 --> 00:15:27,430 way to the 29 and 29 and a half mile 275 00:15:34,110 --> 00:15:31,959 marker on highway 375 and that was 276 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:34,120 actually known 277 00:15:43,579 --> 00:15:38,490 as the dirt road that took you to a 278 00:15:48,390 --> 00:15:43,589 ranch called Steve meadowlands ranch but 279 00:15:53,370 --> 00:15:48,400 that's where their steve medlin had a 280 00:15:56,730 --> 00:15:53,380 black mailbox right just next to the 281 00:15:59,820 --> 00:15:56,740 highway 375 and Steve Medellin and his 282 00:16:04,740 --> 00:15:59,830 family ranched in that area for many 283 00:16:08,430 --> 00:16:04,750 many years and there are cows wandered 284 00:16:12,390 --> 00:16:08,440 past the perimeters on groom lake road 285 00:16:15,810 --> 00:16:12,400 and into that facility so they had a 286 00:16:20,070 --> 00:16:15,820 very interesting arrangement yell out 287 00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:20,080 the meadowlands cows to roam freely and 288 00:16:26,030 --> 00:16:22,480 so they must have had some kind of a 289 00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:26,040 relationship the base right right so 290 00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:29,860 just I'm this is for my own mind only 291 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:32,800 norio please don't take offense so 292 00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:34,930 here's said there are is everybody 293 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:39,420 Japanese do you have anybody American or 294 00:16:45,060 --> 00:16:42,850 everybody everybody's Japanese so you've 295 00:16:47,130 --> 00:16:45,070 got a japanese film crew yourself of 296 00:16:49,710 --> 00:16:47,140 course you know japanese so you got you 297 00:16:52,769 --> 00:16:49,720 guys all head up you find which is the 298 00:16:56,010 --> 00:16:52,779 only black mailbox on 375 and you guys 299 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:56,020 arrived and before we move on i'm just 300 00:16:58,769 --> 00:16:57,370 gonna ask the question did you guys see 301 00:17:02,010 --> 00:16:58,779 anything that first night did you guys 302 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:02,020 yes we did oh okay well then what 303 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:06,010 happened was exactly as mr. Lazar said 304 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:11,970 right after sundown a brilliant light 305 00:17:18,740 --> 00:17:14,890 appeared over the gloom mountains way in 306 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:18,750 the distance towards area 51 and it 307 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:24,130 ascended and he did make some weird turn 308 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:27,660 you know and almost a rectangular move 309 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:31,050 you know in the short time of span and 310 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:35,850 the crew had already set up TV camera so 311 00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:39,970 they caught it who I saw it it was very 312 00:17:47,730 --> 00:17:43,260 interesting it was an orange light and 313 00:17:51,220 --> 00:17:47,740 for you know it appeared for about 314 00:17:54,610 --> 00:17:51,230 10 12 seconds and then it disappeared 315 00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:54,620 but then 10 minutes later another one 316 00:18:00,160 --> 00:17:57,200 appeared during the same maneuvering 317 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:00,170 same color that's right thing orangish 318 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:04,130 color and so it was all together three 319 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:08,110 times that night and we were quite 320 00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:17,210 impressed but right before well yeah 321 00:18:27,070 --> 00:18:22,640 after we were getting ready to move 322 00:18:30,010 --> 00:18:27,080 along Oh actually I if I recall right 323 00:18:33,370 --> 00:18:30,020 before those a light appeared we were 324 00:18:38,980 --> 00:18:33,380 visited by a sheriff lincoln county 325 00:18:42,490 --> 00:18:38,990 sheriff patrol car which you know shown 326 00:18:46,690 --> 00:18:42,500 a bright headlights on us and out comes 327 00:18:50,940 --> 00:18:46,700 this doug lamoureux who was a deputy 328 00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:50,950 sheriff and he started questioning us 329 00:18:58,780 --> 00:18:55,600 each of us took down all our names and 330 00:19:02,020 --> 00:18:58,790 he was asking us what we were doing here 331 00:19:04,180 --> 00:19:02,030 well he encounters nine japanese guys on 332 00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:04,190 a highway out in the middle of the 333 00:19:15,340 --> 00:19:09,860 desert with video cameras with all kinds 334 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:15,350 of life and so you know he didn't say we 335 00:19:24,190 --> 00:19:20,210 cannot be there but after getting all 336 00:19:29,290 --> 00:19:24,200 our information he drove his sheriff 337 00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:29,300 patrol car towards area 51 probably he 338 00:19:36,610 --> 00:19:32,150 had gone towards the group video of the 339 00:19:39,670 --> 00:19:36,620 guard shack but well you see you guys 340 00:19:41,620 --> 00:19:39,680 get that you guys get your video they 341 00:19:44,020 --> 00:19:41,630 they're obviously happy I mean it's 342 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:44,030 extraordinary that it was a Wednesday 343 00:19:49,030 --> 00:19:46,310 night like Bob had said you guys show up 344 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:49,040 and you actually were able to video that 345 00:19:54,370 --> 00:19:52,010 those guys go back to Japan and this TV 346 00:20:00,820 --> 00:19:54,380 show airs doesn't it that's right it 347 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:00,830 aired in March uh that 1990 348 00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:05,210 it was seen by you know millions of 349 00:20:10,620 --> 00:20:07,549 people of course the in Japan there are 350 00:20:15,130 --> 00:20:10,630 so many many TV channels but this 351 00:20:18,730 --> 00:20:15,140 station had an interesting program on a 352 00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:18,740 strange phenomenon and it was a two-hour 353 00:20:28,330 --> 00:20:22,880 special program and it covered not only 354 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:28,340 area 51 in Nevada but I had already made 355 00:20:35,049 --> 00:20:31,490 arrangements for them to also visit New 356 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:35,059 Mexico golf in New Mexico well so in the 357 00:20:41,139 --> 00:20:39,200 span of probably less than two years a 358 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:41,149 year and a half you know you're in 359 00:20:47,620 --> 00:20:43,850 October of 88 when everything had you 360 00:20:49,710 --> 00:20:47,630 know started to kick off and now this TV 361 00:20:52,570 --> 00:20:49,720 show so in this very short span of time 362 00:20:55,060 --> 00:20:52,580 you're exposed to something that I mean 363 00:20:57,850 --> 00:20:55,070 is certainly newsworthy and it's almost 364 00:20:59,379 --> 00:20:57,860 human race changing events and you're 365 00:21:02,580 --> 00:20:59,389 right in the middle of the storm aren't 366 00:21:08,259 --> 00:21:02,590 you that's right because we were both 367 00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:08,269 handling this mysterious area 51 thing 368 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:12,260 and also the mysterious region of New 369 00:21:21,009 --> 00:21:16,130 Mexico namely Dulce New Mexico so these 370 00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,019 two locations were very very fascinating 371 00:21:30,009 --> 00:21:24,080 to me and it was just that we were so 372 00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,019 lucky that we captured this fascinating 373 00:21:37,180 --> 00:21:32,960 location you know within the span of 374 00:21:39,539 --> 00:21:37,190 just a week and a half well we're going 375 00:21:51,549 --> 00:21:39,549 to get into Dulce in a few minutes but 376 00:21:53,710 --> 00:21:51,559 and and I really appreciative an 377 00:21:57,370 --> 00:21:53,720 opportunity to go back and speak with 378 00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:57,380 mr. Lazar after the television special 379 00:22:06,220 --> 00:22:00,559 had aired in japan well yes because uh 380 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:06,230 Gary show and I started organizing a 381 00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:09,289 group in Los Angeles it was called the 382 00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:13,520 secret salsa base expedition and we 383 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:14,240 incur 384 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:19,640 aged a lot of people to join us and you 385 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:24,410 know in 1991 1992 we became very active 386 00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:29,230 in brought a lot of people to that 387 00:22:37,980 --> 00:22:33,790 perimeter area of groom Lake Road and 388 00:22:43,390 --> 00:22:37,990 you know and then eventually of course 389 00:22:49,630 --> 00:22:43,400 mr. Gary Schultz got hold of mr. Lazar 390 00:22:53,820 --> 00:22:49,640 and he convinced mr. Lazar to speak at 391 00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:53,830 this parking lot in fact there were two 392 00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:57,200 seminars seminars that we held the first 393 00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:00,559 one was held in 1992 in that little 394 00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:05,030 alien in which big Rachel Rachel Nevada 395 00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:07,760 right outside of area 51 but people 396 00:23:16,570 --> 00:23:12,670 packed in in 1992 for this ultimate 397 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:16,580 seminar and Gary Jules and I were the 398 00:23:23,530 --> 00:23:19,970 only speakers but you know there were 399 00:23:27,490 --> 00:23:23,540 people like George Knapp and mr. Lazar 400 00:23:30,010 --> 00:23:27,500 and you know Bill Cooper and Anthony J 401 00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:30,020 Hildur and the Lincoln County Sheriff 402 00:23:37,210 --> 00:23:34,100 himself were all seated at this I'm 403 00:23:40,930 --> 00:23:37,220 Prasad precedented gathering at the 404 00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:40,940 little lady in uh and the nobody spoke 405 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:44,870 except garish you can I but that was in 406 00:23:55,570 --> 00:23:51,110 1992 and in 1993 for the first time mr. 407 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:55,580 Lazar agreed to speak out in front of 408 00:24:00,190 --> 00:23:57,530 the public and this was the first and 409 00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:00,200 the last time that mr. Bob Lazar ever 410 00:24:07,030 --> 00:24:03,920 spoke out add in front of the public 411 00:24:10,090 --> 00:24:07,040 it's a very rare video norio by the way 412 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:10,100 I've seen it it it's a little you know 413 00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:12,110 for anybody out there you can go and and 414 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:15,950 find this video on YouTube it's you know 415 00:24:20,830 --> 00:24:18,370 it's obviously an old trashed out 416 00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:20,840 videotape somebody has managed to copy 417 00:24:25,450 --> 00:24:23,440 and get back up on the net but that that 418 00:24:28,029 --> 00:24:25,460 conversation that you're talking about 419 00:24:30,190 --> 00:24:28,039 is is I've seen it 420 00:24:32,590 --> 00:24:30,200 wish I would have been there but uh so 421 00:24:35,349 --> 00:24:32,600 tell us about how did it happen and did 422 00:24:40,289 --> 00:24:35,359 whoa I got asked the question for 423 00:24:52,210 --> 00:24:43,719 and his license number was named J dash 424 00:24:58,210 --> 00:24:52,220 12 and did an amazing event it was held 425 00:25:02,950 --> 00:24:58,220 in 1993 on may first and we had told a 426 00:25:04,930 --> 00:25:02,960 lot of people through mail and I believe 427 00:25:12,099 --> 00:25:04,940 you know a little bit of the internet 428 00:25:14,830 --> 00:25:12,109 and but anyway 250 people showed up from 429 00:25:20,409 --> 00:25:14,840 all over the United States to hear mr. 430 00:25:24,729 --> 00:25:20,419 Bob Lazar speak under a military tent a 431 00:25:29,529 --> 00:25:24,739 huge military tent that was prepared for 432 00:25:33,609 --> 00:25:29,539 this event and I had no idea until after 433 00:25:37,060 --> 00:25:33,619 the event that Joe Travis the owner of 434 00:25:40,089 --> 00:25:37,070 the little alien who has had a working 435 00:25:43,499 --> 00:25:40,099 relationship with the base in other 436 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:43,509 words area 51 right mr. Joe Travis 437 00:25:50,859 --> 00:25:46,609 confided to both Gary Schultz and I that 438 00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:50,869 he had borrowed that huge military tent 439 00:25:58,869 --> 00:25:54,200 along with two hundred chairs from the 440 00:26:02,950 --> 00:25:58,879 base specifically for that event and in 441 00:26:07,479 --> 00:26:02,960 other words the base had new known that 442 00:26:12,639 --> 00:26:07,489 there was going to be this gathering and 443 00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:12,649 they had lent this military tent to Joe 444 00:26:18,489 --> 00:26:16,070 Travis and very few people know about 445 00:26:20,739 --> 00:26:18,499 this well this yeah it's kind of funny 446 00:26:24,369 --> 00:26:20,749 that area 51 would supply the tent to 447 00:26:26,499 --> 00:26:24,379 block the 120 degrees sun that was 448 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:26,509 probably baking down on everybody but 449 00:26:33,879 --> 00:26:29,450 did well actually it wasn't that bad it 450 00:26:39,009 --> 00:26:33,889 was in May first but you know the tent 451 00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,019 help and is 250 people in Rachel Nevada 452 00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:41,460 which is population two 453 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:44,100 you know to travel not only from around 454 00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:45,450 the country but make it up from Las 455 00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:50,070 Vegas to gather at Rachel uh and the the 456 00:26:55,899 --> 00:26:51,809 publicity went out that it was going to 457 00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:55,909 be Bob Lazar that's right couples are uh 458 00:27:03,500 --> 00:26:58,770 was the main speaker he spoke for about 459 00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:03,510 at least an hour and 45 minutes straight 460 00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:07,980 and he answered a lot of question did he 461 00:27:13,220 --> 00:27:10,169 did I will I will admit right now 462 00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,230 watching that video either he is a 463 00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:16,380 really good actor a really really good 464 00:27:20,419 --> 00:27:19,020 actor or it was the truth you know it's 465 00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:20,429 one of the two it's either is you know 466 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:22,020 there's no gray area when it comes to 467 00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:25,250 bob lazar but that right and therefore 468 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:28,590 ricky van he fielded he answered every 469 00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:32,250 question he he he did not hold back and 470 00:27:37,639 --> 00:27:34,470 well neither did the audience either by 471 00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:37,649 the way that's right and you know the 472 00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:39,990 reason why this was a historic event was 473 00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:43,380 because this was the one and only time 474 00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:47,159 ever that mr. Lazar appeared in spoke in 475 00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:51,120 front of the public ever since that time 476 00:27:58,519 --> 00:27:55,500 he has just was drawn himself and of 477 00:28:01,970 --> 00:27:58,529 course he did some interviews but later 478 00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:01,980 on in later years he moved to 479 00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:07,679 Albuquerque New Mexico and he started 480 00:28:15,889 --> 00:28:10,110 concentrating on his business which is a 481 00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:15,899 united nuclear com business he now lives 482 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:19,980 in Michigan and he continues to do work 483 00:28:31,580 --> 00:28:28,110 uh for contractors in fact he had just 484 00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:31,590 uh you know about the beginning about 485 00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:35,220 six months ago he signed a contract with 486 00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:40,440 raytheon on certain projects yeah well 487 00:28:45,289 --> 00:28:43,380 the ironic thing about that about his 488 00:28:47,529 --> 00:28:45,299 company he's also selling to the 489 00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:47,539 government I understand to sell right 490 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:52,720 that is absolutely right so there is a 491 00:28:59,039 --> 00:28:55,450 you know can't live with without him 492 00:29:04,169 --> 00:28:59,049 campaign and you know if there is a it's 493 00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:04,179 a dilemma well um after this event which 494 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:07,000 was extraordinary uh have you spoken 495 00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:11,440 with bob lazar sense no uh in fact very 496 00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:15,940 few people have spoken to him of course 497 00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:22,030 you know he kept uh occasionally uh you 498 00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:28,289 know he kept touch with uh like art bell 499 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:33,360 and so on occasionally but these days he 500 00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:36,450 doesn't do anything he never talks about 501 00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:39,640 his experiences at every fifty one 502 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:44,140 anymore but he has not changed any of 503 00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:47,770 his story so my opinion is that 504 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:50,980 regardless of what people may think of 505 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:53,890 bubbles are some people say he's a fraud 506 00:30:04,230 --> 00:29:58,650 you or you know huckster and so on but 507 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:04,240 you know i don't think we can judge mr. 508 00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:07,450 Lazar as a fraud because there's no 509 00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:14,220 evidence against his uh you know uh 510 00:30:21,930 --> 00:30:18,580 claims well very few of us in this great 511 00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:21,940 country very few of us have personal 512 00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:23,830 experience with bob lazar I certainly 513 00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:28,240 haven't but you whether you believe I 514 00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,240 just think the story I've watched 515 00:30:36,299 --> 00:30:34,000 everything norio everything I've watched 516 00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:36,309 every video dozens of times everything 517 00:30:41,159 --> 00:30:37,990 that's out there about him I've watched 518 00:30:42,899 --> 00:30:41,169 at all looking for something that to 519 00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:42,909 trip him up now we were just talking to 520 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,830 Stanton Friedman earlier I'd of freedmen 521 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:47,200 I don't know if you caught the interview 522 00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:48,970 or the the conversation that we had we 523 00:30:54,270 --> 00:30:51,460 talked a little bit about it and I am 524 00:30:57,870 --> 00:30:54,280 Stan certainly you know went and did a 525 00:31:00,000 --> 00:30:57,880 lot of investigating on on Bob and it 526 00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:00,010 everything spells of fraud but this is 527 00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:02,230 how I look at it now that i'm talking 528 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:04,270 about the facts about Bob you know the 529 00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:06,530 hard proven fact but this is the thing 530 00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:11,180 if his story is true then why wouldn't 531 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:14,360 the government go and get rid of his 532 00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:17,090 past why wouldn't they do everything 533 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:18,980 they could to just try to either shut 534 00:31:23,470 --> 00:31:21,650 and shut him up or discredit him so 535 00:31:25,450 --> 00:31:23,480 nobody would believe him that's that 536 00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:25,460 side and I find that side of the 537 00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:28,460 argument as good as any other side of 538 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:31,190 the argument then the but the flip side 539 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:35,270 is there would be people at every single 540 00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:37,970 college that know him knew him teachers 541 00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,070 that would come out and stand beside him 542 00:31:45,490 --> 00:31:42,080 and say yeah he went to MIT he went to 543 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:45,500 you know he went to Caltech yes he did 544 00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,570 this yes but those people haven't 545 00:31:52,180 --> 00:31:50,240 surfaced either so it's weird I'm caught 546 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:52,190 in the middle you know and there's of 547 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:54,590 course I want to believe I do I want to 548 00:31:58,540 --> 00:31:56,810 believe because it's a great story and 549 00:32:00,760 --> 00:31:58,550 then there's this part that's in the 550 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:00,770 middle and I want your reaction to this 551 00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:04,730 oh they didn't what you know I I don't 552 00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:08,630 uh you know consider him as a fraud 553 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:11,840 because uh you know I die I don't want 554 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:16,730 to be judgmental but judging from his 555 00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:20,810 work as a scientist and you have to be 556 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:22,660 you have to be knowledgeable about 557 00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:26,570 science you have to absolutely and to 558 00:32:31,660 --> 00:32:28,280 field questions and answer questions 559 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:31,670 like he has you've got to have learned 560 00:32:39,070 --> 00:32:34,010 something somewhere he's a very learning 561 00:32:42,850 --> 00:32:39,080 guy but there's this aspect to when you 562 00:32:46,330 --> 00:32:42,860 know with the w2 and and the the naval 563 00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:46,340 intelligence officer whatever was its 564 00:32:52,180 --> 00:32:49,550 nobody from the government in any any 565 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:52,190 office of any branch of anything has 566 00:32:57,670 --> 00:32:56,150 ever stepped out and said no this is 567 00:33:00,340 --> 00:32:57,680 fraught this is wrong this is wrong this 568 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:00,350 is wrong and this is why and because of 569 00:33:05,170 --> 00:33:02,450 the government silence i'm bob lazar 570 00:33:08,590 --> 00:33:05,180 then that just gives him the platform to 571 00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:08,600 say hey see it's it's it's it's all true 572 00:33:15,070 --> 00:33:13,220 you know and i am just baffled by the 573 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:15,080 government's response and their silence 574 00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:16,970 on the entire bob lazar thing because 575 00:33:22,570 --> 00:33:20,240 this is a very public very 576 00:33:24,790 --> 00:33:22,580 visible story that he put out there not 577 00:33:26,770 --> 00:33:24,800 only was it on Japanese television but 578 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:26,780 it was all over Las Vegas television 579 00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:29,090 books were written videos were out there 580 00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:31,790 seminars you know and nothing was ever 581 00:33:35,530 --> 00:33:33,830 nothing official ever came out to 582 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:35,540 discredit him and that's what I find 583 00:33:41,410 --> 00:33:38,210 fascinating that's exactly what I'm 584 00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:41,420 trying to say plus in order to do his 585 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:44,559 business which is united nuclear dot-com 586 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:47,690 he has to have a tremendous knowledge 587 00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:51,530 about particle beam weapon systems and 588 00:34:00,330 --> 00:33:54,920 other weapons systems because he is a 589 00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:00,340 legitimate a knowledgeable engineer uh 590 00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:05,740 in which you know groups like Raytheon 591 00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:09,350 you know exactly know exactly well how 592 00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:10,940 about that well how about this so this 593 00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:12,590 is the closer for me when it comes to 594 00:34:21,399 --> 00:34:19,040 Bob Lazar is element 115 he you know not 595 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:21,409 only when he brought when he brought all 596 00:34:26,109 --> 00:34:23,450 of that up back in the day when all of 597 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:26,119 that was brought up by Bob nobody had 598 00:34:30,369 --> 00:34:28,010 heard of element 115 nobody had talked 599 00:34:33,790 --> 00:34:30,379 about it or anything else but now there 600 00:34:36,099 --> 00:34:33,800 is an element 115 and that is a scary 601 00:34:38,649 --> 00:34:36,109 thing and the way that he described it 602 00:34:42,849 --> 00:34:38,659 you know that we if we made it here on 603 00:34:45,310 --> 00:34:42,859 on on our planet if we made it here by 604 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:45,320 man we would make it in such minuscule 605 00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:47,510 amount it would amount to anything you 606 00:34:51,129 --> 00:34:49,250 know so everything that we had had to 607 00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,139 have in his opinion come from somewhere 608 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:53,359 else well that it turns out to be true 609 00:35:00,190 --> 00:34:57,290 and it blows my mind it you know now and 610 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:00,200 nothing against what Stan Friedman just 611 00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,090 said or or every all of his 612 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:04,400 investigation because everything that 613 00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:08,090 Stanton has done is he did what he could 614 00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:10,520 do and he answered all of the questions 615 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:13,670 out there when it comes to Caltech and 616 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:16,730 MIT and in Pierce College in his little 617 00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,310 electronic class that he took took out 618 00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:21,440 there or whatever you know so the roads 619 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:24,230 that that led Stanton down Stanton got 620 00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:26,090 those answers and they were correct and 621 00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:28,790 and I can't blame him for his position 622 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:30,590 on that because I would say look he's a 623 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:32,990 fraud but then there's all of the other 624 00:35:35,110 --> 00:35:33,650 ass 625 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:35,120 acts and all of his other stories that 626 00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:39,530 just freaked me out yes Jimmy you know 627 00:35:47,490 --> 00:35:44,720 the reason why I I cannot discount about 628 00:35:53,260 --> 00:35:47,500 Missouri's because look at for example 629 00:35:58,750 --> 00:35:53,270 all the astronauts that claim to have 630 00:36:02,050 --> 00:35:58,760 seen things plus astronauts like Edgar 631 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:02,060 Mitchell openly says that there is a 632 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:05,930 cover-up and if any of the UFO story is 633 00:36:14,110 --> 00:36:10,810 true then anything can be possible and 634 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:14,120 evolved of those claims can be true if 635 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:19,030 any one incident of UFO is true and 636 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:23,930 there are even you know people like Paul 637 00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:27,290 Hellyer of Canada who was a defence 638 00:36:34,930 --> 00:36:30,500 minister says that there is a cover-up 639 00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:34,940 and so if any incident of UFOs is a fact 640 00:36:41,050 --> 00:36:38,720 then it's very possible that what mr. 641 00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:41,060 lasa has been saying could be true so 642 00:36:47,470 --> 00:36:43,880 you know I'm not the person I don't like 643 00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:47,480 to judge any person because we can as 644 00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:50,380 long as you cannot disprove their claims 645 00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:53,960 you know anything is possible well what 646 00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,710 do you think okay well I want to hear it 647 00:37:02,740 --> 00:37:00,320 first what do you think it do you think 648 00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:02,750 what do you think is going on at area 51 649 00:37:08,110 --> 00:37:06,020 that I actually think there's a there's 650 00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:08,120 some stuff out there some stuff that is 651 00:37:19,890 --> 00:37:15,040 not made by us well it's hard for me to 652 00:37:22,090 --> 00:37:19,900 say that area 51 is connected with 653 00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:22,100 extraterrestrial technology it's hard 654 00:37:29,130 --> 00:37:23,990 for me to say because that we haven't 655 00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:29,140 seen any specific solid irrefutable 656 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:34,160 evidence for it Yuri note with that area 657 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:39,050 51 today is experimenting on a whole 658 00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:42,710 variety of military technologies it has 659 00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:46,190 been for the past you know 30 or 40 660 00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:46,990 years 661 00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:53,680 that we have been hearing you know from 662 00:38:01,680 --> 00:37:57,240 about a decade or two ago is the 663 00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:01,690 remotely controlled platforms or UAVs or 664 00:38:11,010 --> 00:38:08,220 drones it's it's a definite likely 665 00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:11,020 possibility that area 51 had 666 00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:16,720 experimented on drones in the even 70 in 667 00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:19,840 early 80s right well I'm not trying to 668 00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:22,720 pin you up against the wall but you kind 669 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:24,940 of telling me two different things but I 670 00:38:29,730 --> 00:38:26,890 agree with both of what you're saying by 671 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:29,740 the way so Toto don't they don't but 672 00:38:36,210 --> 00:38:32,170 yeah but you on one hand you're saying 673 00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:36,220 Bob Lazar is probably legit and and 674 00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:37,960 you're saying that on one side but on 675 00:38:43,050 --> 00:38:39,940 the other side you're saying now but 676 00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:43,060 area 51 is probably just what they say 677 00:38:47,460 --> 00:38:45,550 it is it's just an aircraft research 678 00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:47,470 facility where we're doing advanced 679 00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:50,350 testing of aircraft yeah that the 680 00:39:00,210 --> 00:38:53,830 probable probability is that that is 681 00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:00,220 what probably 90 you know five percent 682 00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:05,670 in fact there is an organization former 683 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:09,640 EG&G employees that worked at area 51 684 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:11,770 and this is what this organization is 685 00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:13,930 called the Roadrunners internationality 686 00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:16,030 and there's about a hundred twenty 687 00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:19,300 members all of them were worked at area 688 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:23,520 51 and even they say that they only know 689 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:27,810 so much about area 51 because of the 690 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:31,290 different diversification 691 00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:34,650 compartmentalization various program so 692 00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:39,040 nobody can say that five percent of what 693 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:46,350 in area 51 is not necessarily you know 694 00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:49,210 that's where the door is left open see 695 00:39:52,770 --> 00:39:50,950 that's exactly right that's where the 696 00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:52,780 door is left open to Robert Lazarre 697 00:39:58,590 --> 00:39:55,150 story but the other thing that allows 698 00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,600 Robert Lazarre story to continue to have 699 00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:00,160 teeth today 700 00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:04,000 because he said and this was his out he